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New find dialog behavior in 4.1

Mark A. Claassen
Do people like the new find dialog behavior in 4.1?  I much prefer the old
behavior and am getting increasing frustrated with the new interface.

The first behavior that has been in NB for as long as I have used it was
that after a search in the source editor the find dialog disappeared.  I am
trying to get it into my procedure to always hit the close immediately after
a find.  There could at least be a checkbox preference on the dialog to tell
it to automatically close.  Having to do close it after every find is
getting a bit old...especially since it was so efficient before.

The second one is on find dialog when searching through multiple files.  It
seems to remember the last text search I did in the source editor.  I often
search for locally modified files and for a long time wondered why my
searches were not working.  After much frustration, I finally noticed the *
on the "Full Text" tab and realized while my searches were coming up empty.
So far in the several weeks that I have been using nb4.1, this feature has
never been useful to me.

If you want to keep these, please bring back at least an "old behavior"
option.

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Re: New find dialog behavior in 4.1

Chuck Davis
I thouroughly agree the old implementation was more usable.  Just when I want
to find something "Find" is greyed out so that it unusable.

Chuck Davis

On Thursday 01 September 2005 10:48 am, Mark Claassen wrote:

> Do people like the new find dialog behavior in 4.1?  I much prefer the old
> behavior and am getting increasing frustrated with the new interface.
>
> The first behavior that has been in NB for as long as I have used it was
> that after a search in the source editor the find dialog disappeared.  I am
> trying to get it into my procedure to always hit the close immediately
> after a find.  There could at least be a checkbox preference on the dialog
> to tell it to automatically close.  Having to do close it after every find
> is getting a bit old...especially since it was so efficient before.
>
> The second one is on find dialog when searching through multiple files.  It
> seems to remember the last text search I did in the source editor.  I often
> search for locally modified files and for a long time wondered why my
> searches were not working.  After much frustration, I finally noticed the *
> on the "Full Text" tab and realized while my searches were coming up empty.
> So far in the several weeks that I have been using nb4.1, this feature has
> never been useful to me.
>
> If you want to keep these, please bring back at least an "old behavior"
> option.
>
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Re: New find dialog behavior in 4.1

J. David Boyd-2
Chuck Davis <[hidden email]> writes:

> I thouroughly agree the old implementation was more usable.  Just when I
> want to find something "Find" is greyed out so that it unusable.
>
> Chuck Davis
>
> On Thursday 01 September 2005 10:48 am, Mark Claassen wrote:
>> Do people like the new find dialog behavior in 4.1?  I much prefer the old
>> behavior and am getting increasing frustrated with the new interface.
>>
>> The first behavior that has been in NB for as long as I have used it was
>> that after a search in the source editor the find dialog disappeared.  I am
>> trying to get it into my procedure to always hit the close immediately
>> after a find.  There could at least be a checkbox preference on the dialog
>> to tell it to automatically close.  Having to do close it after every find
>> is getting a bit old...especially since it was so efficient before.
>>
>> The second one is on find dialog when searching through multiple files.  It
>> seems to remember the last text search I did in the source editor.  I often
>> search for locally modified files and for a long time wondered why my
>> searches were not working.  After much frustration, I finally noticed the *
>> on the "Full Text" tab and realized while my searches were coming up empty.
>> So far in the several weeks that I have been using nb4.1, this feature has
>> never been useful to me.
>>
>> If you want to keep these, please bring back at least an "old behavior"
>> option.
>>

Huh, I've had no problems with 'Find' that I've noticed.  It seems to work the
same way all the other apps that I use work.

What if the first one that it finds _isn't_ the one you want?  Now you just
hit on the 'Find' button again, and keep on rolling.  If the dialog went away,
you couldn't use the mouse to keep searching through a file.

Dave

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Re: Re: New find dialog behavior in 4.1

Chuck Davis
Of course, since posting this a.m. "Find" has been working flawlessly as far
as being greyed out is concerned!  Good way to get it fixed -- by complaining
in public instead of under my breath!

Chuck Davis

On Thursday 01 September 2005 11:55 am, J. David Boyd wrote:
> Chuck Davis <[hidden email]> writes:
> > I thouroughly agree the old implementation was more usable.  Just when I
> > want to find something "Find" is greyed out so that it unusable.
> >
> > Chuck Davis
> >
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Re: New find dialog behavior in 4.1

J. David Boyd-2
Chuck Davis <[hidden email]> writes:

> Of course, since posting this a.m. "Find" has been working flawlessly as far
> as being greyed out is concerned!  Good way to get it fixed -- by
> complaining in public instead of under my breath!
>
> Chuck Davis
>
> On Thursday 01 September 2005 11:55 am, J. David Boyd wrote:
>> Chuck Davis <[hidden email]> writes:
>> > I thouroughly agree the old implementation was more usable.  Just when I
>> > want to find something "Find" is greyed out so that it unusable.
>> >

Ah yes, that _is_ usually the way it works...

Dave

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RE: Re: New find dialog behavior in 4.1

Mark A. Claassen
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I have not had the "grayed out" problem.  I think find mostly works, I just
don't care for the way it is implemented.  (I have had some problems using
status searches.  I have done searches for not update to date files where it
would find some, then I would to choose modify search and search again
without changing anything.  This second search often will find more...)

From: news [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of J. David Boyd
> What if the first one that it finds _isn't_ the one you want?  
> Now you just hit on the 'Find' button again, and keep on rolling.  
> If the dialog went away, you couldn't use the mouse to keep searching
through a file.

What I usually do is hit F3 or shift-F3 to find next find previous.  I don't
want to use the mouse to keep searching.  Changing direction is certainly
more complicated in the dialog since I can change my search direction
outside of the dialog with just the shift...in the dialog I need to seek out
and the check box and then click the find button.

If it an accessibility thing, just add a check box to automatically close
the dialog.  (The state of this would need to be remembered, of course)

Mark


Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: news [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of J. David Boyd
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 12:55 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [nbusers] Re: New find dialog behavior in 4.1

Chuck Davis <[hidden email]> writes:

> I thouroughly agree the old implementation was more usable.  Just when
> I want to find something "Find" is greyed out so that it unusable.
>
> Chuck Davis
>
> On Thursday 01 September 2005 10:48 am, Mark Claassen wrote:
>> Do people like the new find dialog behavior in 4.1?  I much prefer
>> the old behavior and am getting increasing frustrated with the new
interface.
>>
>> The first behavior that has been in NB for as long as I have used it
>> was that after a search in the source editor the find dialog
>> disappeared.  I am trying to get it into my procedure to always hit
>> the close immediately after a find.  There could at least be a
>> checkbox preference on the dialog to tell it to automatically close.  
>> Having to do close it after every find is getting a bit old...especially
since it was so efficient before.
>>
>> The second one is on find dialog when searching through multiple
>> files.  It seems to remember the last text search I did in the source
>> editor.  I often search for locally modified files and for a long
>> time wondered why my searches were not working.  After much
>> frustration, I finally noticed the * on the "Full Text" tab and realized
while my searches were coming up empty.
>> So far in the several weeks that I have been using nb4.1, this
>> feature has never been useful to me.
>>
>> If you want to keep these, please bring back at least an "old behavior"
>> option.
>>

Huh, I've had no problems with 'Find' that I've noticed.  It seems to work
the same way all the other apps that I use work.

What if the first one that it finds _isn't_ the one you want?  Now you just
hit on the 'Find' button again, and keep on rolling.  If the dialog went
away, you couldn't use the mouse to keep searching through a file.

Dave

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Re: New find dialog behavior in 4.1

tkellerer
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Mark Claassen wrote on 01.09.2005 18:48:
> Do people like the new find dialog behavior in 4.1?  I much prefer the old
> behavior and am getting increasing frustrated with the new interface.
>


What I find much more annoying, that the search dialog refuses to
remember my preferences across restarts. For years now I have to disable
the highlighting just because it does not seem to be possible to make
this setting persistent :(

Thomas

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RE: Re: New find dialog behavior in 4.1

Mark A. Claassen
I like the highlighting, but I feel your pain.  

What about the other issue I mentioned where the find from the file tree
automatically inserts your last text search?  How do you feel about this?
 
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From: news [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Thomas Kellerer
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 3:58 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [nbusers] Re: New find dialog behavior in 4.1

Mark Claassen wrote on 01.09.2005 18:48:
> Do people like the new find dialog behavior in 4.1?  I much prefer the
> old behavior and am getting increasing frustrated with the new interface.
>


What I find much more annoying, that the search dialog refuses to remember
my preferences across restarts. For years now I have to disable the
highlighting just because it does not seem to be possible to make this
setting persistent :(

Thomas

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Re: New find dialog behavior in 4.1

tkellerer
Mark Claassen wrote on 01.09.2005 23:09:
> I like the highlighting, but I feel your pain.  
>
> What about the other issue I mentioned where the find from the file tree
> automatically inserts your last text search?  How do you feel about this?
>  

I actually like it :)
I seldom search for Status ...


Thomas

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Re: New find dialog behavior in 4.1

Marián Petráš
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>
> ...
>
> The second one is on find dialog when searching through multiple files.  It
> seems to remember the last text search I did in the source editor.  I often
> search for locally modified files and for a long time wondered why my
> searches were not working.  After much frustration, I finally noticed the *
> on the "Full Text" tab and realized while my searches were coming up empty.
> So far in the several weeks that I have been using nb4.1, this feature has
> never been useful to me.

Mark,

It is too late for making changes in the UI for NB 5.0.

I have attached a binary patch which will disable the feature. To apply
the patch, shut down NetBeans, put the attached file to subdirectory

     ide6/modules/patches/org-netbeans-modules-utilities

of your NetBeans installation directory (you may need to create some
directories) and start NetBeans again.

If you want us not to forget about your suggestion, please file a
request for enhancement - module "utilities", submodule "search".

Marian


>
> If you want to keep these, please bring back at least an "old behavior"
> option.
>
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> ---------------------
> Mark Claassen
> Donnell Systems, Inc.
> 300 S. St. Louis Blvd. Ste. 203
> South Bend, IN 46617
> E-mail: mailto:[hidden email]
> Voice: (574)232-3784
> Fax: (574)232-4014
>  
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RE: New find dialog behavior in 4.1

Mark A. Claassen
Thanks for the patch!

I did file an issue for this:
http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=63914

 
-----Original Message-----
From: Marian Petras [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 5:26 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [nbusers] New find dialog behavior in 4.1

>
> ...
>
> The second one is on find dialog when searching through multiple
> files.  It seems to remember the last text search I did in the source
> editor.  I often search for locally modified files and for a long time
> wondered why my searches were not working.  After much frustration, I
> finally noticed the * on the "Full Text" tab and realized while my
searches were coming up empty.
> So far in the several weeks that I have been using nb4.1, this feature
> has never been useful to me.

Mark,

It is too late for making changes in the UI for NB 5.0.

I have attached a binary patch which will disable the feature. To apply the
patch, shut down NetBeans, put the attached file to subdirectory

     ide6/modules/patches/org-netbeans-modules-utilities

of your NetBeans installation directory (you may need to create some
directories) and start NetBeans again.

If you want us not to forget about your suggestion, please file a request
for enhancement - module "utilities", submodule "search".

Marian


>
> If you want to keep these, please bring back at least an "old behavior"
> option.
>
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> ---------------------
> Mark Claassen
> Donnell Systems, Inc.
> 300 S. St. Louis Blvd. Ste. 203
> South Bend, IN 46617
> E-mail: mailto:[hidden email]
> Voice: (574)232-3784
> Fax: (574)232-4014
>  
>